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Poster: Reade Date: Nov 10, 2009 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When did Keith & Donna know?

There's no paper trail, believe me. No pink slips here. This bunch found overt head-butting pretty unseemly. Phil once famously said something to the effect that 'avoidance of confrontation is like a religion with us.'
It's been fairly well established that there was a band meeting in February of '79 and from anything I've ever seen things were so bad it was basically a huge relief to EVERYONE when this deal got done. Which is probably, when you think about it, the only way it coulda happened. Doubtful Jerry was into firing people at this particular stage of the game. Remember, K & D at this stage were no longer part of the Jerry Band..... so the writing was on the wall to some extent.

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Nov 10, 2009 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When did Keith & Donna know?

Yeah, I kinda figured it wasn't pretty. Wow, they had a meeting in Feb 79 and their last show was on the 17th? So there wasn't a lot of time from when the "officially" knew until when they did their last show. Good point about them not being in JGB anymore. I know that I was tired of Keith's lack of participation, even in 77 and frankly he was pretty much a benign piano guy after the hiatus (except those shows in 77 when the album was coming out, like on Estimated). I don’t mean that the piano is a benign instrument, just they way he played it then. Keith was excellent pre-hiatus though. Maybe the monkey got him sometime in 75?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 10, 2009 6:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When did Keith & Donna know?

I seem to recall reading an interview with Donna where she described it as a mutual decision. I think she said they were fired and they quit and that everyone agreed it was in the best interest of the band and the Godchaux's. I think they were working on their own album when he died.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 10, 2009 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When did Keith & Donna know?

I think Keith was still OK in '76, it was in early '77 that he seemed to fade out.

I don't think it was discussed before their last show....I could be wrong, I'd have to look it up, but I think it was after the tour that Donna said to the Dead, "We have to leave", and they went something like, "Thank god!"

While they were on the road, not only were they avoiding any kind of discussion & stewing in their drugs of choice, but Keith & Donna would often fight, she'd get drunk & smash things etc... Their relief at parting was not for musical reasons alone!

They might have known at the 2/17/79 show that it would be the last one; I wonder because that show has so many songs taken out of retirement:
Greatest Story - first one since 10/18/74
Big Railroad Blues - first since 10/19/74
High Time - first since 5/26/77
The Wheel - first since 2/3/78 (and the only one in '79)
(They'd also just started doing Don't Ease Me In again, which hadn't been played since 8/6/74.)
And naturally, it also has the LAST From The Heart Of Me!

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 11, 2009 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When did Keith & Donna know?

you can only piss jerry off for so many years before he fires you.

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Poster: clintorus Date: Nov 11, 2009 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When did Keith & Donna know?

I think they even found a 3/4 full jar of Reds on Keith's Houseboat in Alameda after he died.